Splintered Grace πŸ’ 

Angels & Demons & Spirits, OH MY!, AGAIN!!! πŸ‘ΌπŸΌπŸ˜ˆπŸ‘»πŸ˜±βœŒπŸ»

September 16, 2021 Bonnie Violet & Tina Frank
Splintered Grace πŸ’ 
Angels & Demons & Spirits, OH MY!, AGAIN!!! πŸ‘ΌπŸΌπŸ˜ˆπŸ‘»πŸ˜±βœŒπŸ»
Splintered Grace +
Become a supporter of the show!
Starting at $3/month
Support
Show Notes Transcript

We could do it all in one swoop, just us as we continue our conversation from last week.

Join us as we discuss the spirit realm, our experience and understanding. What's your experience and understanding? Comment here or join us LIVE and let us know your thoughts IRL, well kind of.

"I am really excited for this conversation, in a lot of ways I am still grapling with, what is my understanding through my experience and how to speak of it, how does it differ from my understanding as a child?" - Bonnie Violet

This season we push the depths of our relationship even further. Tackling the difficult conversations that we fear may separate us.

Tina, a conservative christian woman and Bonnie Violet, a trans gender queer drag queen have an anti-cancel culture conversation. While many family members are choosing to no longer speak, we have chosen to sit at the table and engage in difficult conversation to find peace and restoration.

To learn more about Splintered Grace go to https://linktr.ee/aqueerchaplain

a queer chaplain 
Helping to lace one’s narrative with a spiritual thread.

Big shout out and Thank you to our monthly supporters. With your support we can continue to bring and upgrade Splintered Grace Podcast quality and reach.

To learn more or to join our Patreon go to patreon.com/bonnieviolet

a queer chaplain 
Helping to lace one’s n

Engage! Rate, Follow, Subscribe & Share
Book ME! - Keynote, Panel, Guest on Show, Officiate Wedding /Memorial in/out of drag.
Collaborate! - Join Team, Guest, Make a Pitch
Sponsor! Patreon, Venmo, PayPal

Support the show

[Music]


0:14

never


0:21

the chasm between us [Music]


0:38

hi everyone how's it going bonnie violet here i am a transgender queer spiritual drag artist and digital chaplain and i'm


0:46

here in brooklyn and and i am here also with hey everybody it's tina frank how are


0:52

you guys i hope you're having an awesome week um i am a conservative christian mature woman


0:59

here and excited to have an amazing conversation we're gonna i think continue with the


1:04

conversation that we started last week so those of you who are with us feel free to chime in and if you have


1:09

questions or if we cut you off too soon last week jump on in here because we'd like to finish our conversation from last week


1:15

yes yes please pop in and talk to us we noticed we noticed that we talked a


1:21

lot more about maybe the more darker side or the demon side and kind of skipped


1:27

the the angels and maybe how we live our like live into our spirituality


1:33

as well yeah you know isn't that funny we can see you to get caught off on the other side


1:39

and and you know i think there was just some things to say and we just ran out of time i don't know if we just didn't


1:44

speed it up talk or maybe we just really needed to have two shows but anyway right right


1:50

it's working out yeah yeah no i think it worked out just fine


1:56

so i think today we want to kind of focus on how uh you and i both


2:01

um engage in our spirituality maybe how we define it what it means to us um how


2:07

we i don't know just however we want to share um our our personal spirituality with


2:14

everyone um so you guys can learn and so that we can learn from you guys so you want to go first bonnie


2:20

well i could but i think it would be interesting um if if if you also shared because i think


2:27

i have the same experience where like you know because i don't find myself in religion anymore which


2:33

um but i think people at would think you're religious as a conservative christian which i know you don't


2:38

identify that way so i think it'd be great if you talked about that a little bit yeah that's that's good i hadn't thought


2:44

about that um you know one of the things that i always get titled as or categorized as being religious


2:51

and i am not a religious person um i don't engage in religion


2:57

my christianity is my identity it is who i am and it's a relationship


3:02

that i have with god and and my creator so i


3:07

religion to me is is a practice of tasks or things or uh requirements or whatever


3:14

that we do and that is not um that is not something that i engage


3:19

in i i move daily based on my spiritual life as a christian with my relationship with


3:26

god jesus and that's how i move forward and it's interesting because because of


3:32

my uh titles i don't know how to say it it's because those aren't my identities and


3:38

then those things that i say and they're not my identity those are the titles that i have or that have been put on me


3:44

um people don't understand when they they assume with them when i


3:50

say that i identify as a christian that automatically i'm religious were you


3:57

did you was being religious part of becoming like the spiritual christian you are


4:03

today or like would you say it's part of the process or like it's a


4:09

yeah like it's part of the process it's like where you begin or do you feel like it's just not


4:14

helpful at all yeah i think it i i think it's a standard starting point


4:21

and and i say that because we all and we've talked about this before have an idea


4:26

of who we think christians are when someone says they're a christian i feel like people automatically have an


4:31

idea of how we're supposed to be how we act what we're supposed to be doing what we shouldn't be doing and i think


4:37

there's kind of a cultural standard that's just assumed once we say the word


4:42

christian right and i think when i gave my life to jesus and decide and realized


4:47

that i wanted a relationship instead of a religion i didn't know where to start except for with the


4:52

religious things that i thought were expected of me because i was now a christian


4:58

so i think there is some to that but as as we pursue our relationship with jesus


5:04

that i i pray that for for most all of us that that religious aspect has become


5:10

a secondary thing that just happens because we're pursuing who we are in christ


5:16

yeah i think for me religion was part of the process of getting to spirituality


5:22

and to me religion you know it was like say going to church when i was younger but i think also like when i got sober


5:29

um i wouldn't say like recovery is a religion but i did kind of take on some


5:36

more black and white kind of ways of uh seeking spirituality seeking a way of


5:42

living um you know all that sort of stuff and i think that was really helpful for me to have


5:48

that more black and white kind of like do this it's better if you do this it's better if you don't do this try to do


5:55

this try not to do that you know um and kind of like a blank blanket


6:00

like blake blanket way of approaching but i think that now that i'm kind of


6:06

you know i've in a place in which black and white thinking is not helpful or useful um then it's


6:14

then you know i think that's where spirituality comes into play like to me is that idea that not everything you


6:20

can't approach every person the same way and the same person the same way every


6:26

time because we evolve there's nuance there's you know there's ambiguit there's a lot of ambiguity in the world


6:33

there's a lot of like not just good or not just bad things it's kind of like


6:39

sometimes a little bit of this a little bit of that um and it's helpful to kind of at least


6:44

for me it's been helpful to acknowledge that the world is full of that that there's not that it's not just this


6:51

um black and white um good good or evil kind of um


6:58

uh way of seeing the world and living my life yeah i i think you're right and and


7:04

it's funny we as as humans i think it's easier for us to categorize


7:09

people i i hate it when i go to the doctor and because i've hit a certain age and a certain


7:16

you know whatever a certain whatever that okay well then this is probably going to happen to you


7:22

or we need to automatically do this for you because this is what 80 of the other people with all those things


7:28

need and i'm like well i don't need that right i don't want to just start with that


7:35

without knowing that i need it because 80 of the other people did so i think there's there's a lot of that with a lot


7:40

of different areas of our lives and i think our our religion or our religious


7:46

practices can fall and can fall into that yeah definitely and i think like i think


7:51

for me once i started to live or experience life beyond the black and white beyond the good and evil when i


7:57

started to experience myself and people and god you know like all of that in that way


8:03

then i had to kind of start um reaching toward um


8:09

toward god or towards spirituality you know like reaching towards something up


8:14

like i want to say above i want to say above that but i think just something that's above between and


8:20

within um all of that stuff i think spirit is what's between everything it's the


8:28

it's the thing that that connects all of us you know it's the space between you and me


8:34

it's the space between um i don't i don't know i don't know it's


8:39

just the space between i think okay that's that's that's a very interesting perspective


8:45

um i i believe that there's spirits of all kinds i talked about that a little bit last week


8:50

um but i think that the holy spirit lives in me it's not between it's in me


8:56

and if i allow the holy spirit will guide me so that i can pursue all the amazing


9:02

things that have been set in place for me it also gives me discernment um on all


9:08

those things that we were just talking about how to approach people how to meet people where they're at how to love them even if there's things


9:15

i don't understand or they don't fall under my religion i think those are the the holy spirit in


9:21

me uh teaches me that and i feel like it really truly gives me the ability to love


9:27

um without it i'm not sure i would have that ability yeah and i i definitely feel that you


9:33

know that the spirit is within me god is within me you know the holy spirit however way you


9:39

want to say that that it is within me but i think it's also all around me it's like what connects me


9:45

to you it's what um you know what i mean like i feel like it's the cohesion


9:50

that um like brings it all together that holds it all together that connects it that sort of thing


9:57

the bible tells me that deep recognizes deep so if there's a deep spirit with within


10:03

us the holy spirit it's going to recognize that in one another and it and it's a


10:09

it's a drawing it brings us together because the the hope of that is that when we get together that iron sharpens


10:16

iron that we would learn from one another we would grow from one another and encourage one another which is what


10:22

we're doing here right so it's that it's that depth of our spirit now i think you can


10:28

choose to be um surface and spirit and not go any deeper


10:34

and i think we have the ability to do that um and and i think what would that look like


10:41

um people may be and this is just my opinion people maybe who are satisfied maybe


10:47

with the status quo um they're okay in their social space with their um some religious


10:54

practices some spiritual practices maybe not pursuing anything any deeper


10:59

for for me i know that depth comes from studying my bible studying the word


11:06

engaging with other christians who are pursuing the depth


11:11

as well so that we can have those conversations about things you know um this i don't want this to sound


11:17

negative but you know the bible is more than just for god to live the world that he gave his only begotten son


11:23

that whosoever believeth on them should not perish but have everlasting life now that is an amazing scripture


11:30

it's awesome and it's it's like the gospel in a nutshell for sure but there's so much more available to us


11:37

as we get to know who god is as we get to understand the holy spirit as we allow the holy spirit to move in us that


11:43

perception of who god is and that he died for us grows


11:48

so because there's an inheritance for all of us here in this life and in eternity and we miss that if we if we


11:54

settle in that space yeah and i feel like i i totally hear all of that and like i have that like i


12:00

feel like too one of the things that i think they're also part of my development was


12:06

at one point in time i like chased the spiritual and i was in that spiritual


12:11

space but um it was almost like i was just in the clouds you know i think there's also


12:17

like an element like i think i could escape in that sort of world and not be a part of like the


12:24

living you know like like you and you and and people not like me and everything else


12:30

like i think it could be very easily easy for me just to pretend like i'm in the spiritual realm or have the


12:36

spiritual way of existing without kind of um i don't know i just think the next level is being able to be like what they


12:43

what do they say like not um in the world but not of the world and so i think it's that that idea of


12:49

like i think sometimes it can be like this way that i'm living in the spiritual world like i'm above the world


12:55

or i'm outside of the world and not really participating with what's in the world right i might not be of the


13:02

world but i'm still in the world and for me a lot of that was just not being in my in my body


13:08

or like being you know what i mean like being more tangible in my body in my connection with other people


13:14

um and so i feel like like that's kind of where i'm at in my spiritual evolution or understanding or


13:22

living is now in that space of like okay so how do i take this relationship that i have with with god with spirit um


13:29

within me and above me and around me like now how do i take that


13:35

and have it like and be in relationship with with with others basically because i feel


13:42

like there was a time where i almost had to kind of where i pulled away from people


13:49

or wasn't as deep with people um to kind of get myself to a space um


13:55

in which i felt more comfortable or i ca i i think for me it was developing my own trust my own faith my own


14:03

understanding of god i think the ability to see that the god of my understanding the way


14:09

that i understand god today has always been with me never left me never


14:14

and was always there all along and i get to go back and i can see where god was


14:19

the god that i understand now i could see that god was there in so many of the


14:25

the places in my life when i didn't see god and i wanted to see god and i just


14:31

couldn't and being able to go back in my past and see that now you know that builds my faith that


14:38

even if i'm in this moment right now where i cannot see god i cannot feel god i just don't i don't understand


14:46

what's happening or what's going on and i don't see god in what is happening to me right now


14:52

i can hopefully like latch onto the remembering


14:58

that there was a time when i didn't see feel or know i understand


15:04

or could see god in something but it was there and to just trust that i will see it again and i will know it


15:10

was there again you know and it kind of builds that hope but yeah i think that makes sense


15:18

yeah that makes sense so that's i think where i'm at


15:24

and still continuing to sustain that relationship with with spirit you know and to me


15:30

a lot of um i think you know i think i've had a lot of experience with like god as if


15:36

god was a spiritual being like outside of me that dwelled outside


15:41

of me that i reached to for comfort or understanding or grace


15:48

um but now you know that spirit is in me and it's so like how do i so i think


15:54

part of that is being able to um keep a connection to that spirit which is there it's there like it's


16:01

there but to actually allow the spirit to be within my brain within my heart


16:07

within every part of my body so that um you know and being able to keep it there


16:13

um because i over the years i've learned how to kind of disconnect myself if you will or and i


16:19

don't even think that's real i think that's an illusion or a delusion but


16:25

it's how we can perceive things and then we start to act and behave as if that's the truth


16:33

as far as the disconnecting yeah okay i just wanted to like track it with you you know right i'm like yeah


16:39

and then you work with your kids okay i got it i i got it right i know it's for folks who are just


16:45

listening i'm like talking with my hands i'm like this and then this and this and this


16:51

it's all good we come by it honestly i think we all do that to a certain point yeah yeah everyone in the family that's


16:57

funny yeah i know sometimes i can kind of like go off so


17:03

it's so funny i think we're really just articulating it for ourselves i don't know so it's just it's just funny but


17:08

yeah so i get it now so question um we also angels was also a topic of our um


17:16

or is on our list what is your understanding of angels and purpose role


17:22

uh well um angels um are part of got our god's creation also


17:29

um they are uh battle they do battle for us


17:34

i think our prayers empower them in areas of our lives to be successful


17:39

and to defend or to be used by god to to answer now there's a lot of um images of angels


17:48

that that are not scripturally accurate um angels are are um


17:54

warriors they're um uh out there in in


18:00

pursuit or on i don't know on on alert they're controlled by god


18:06

but on alert for us um they respond based on god's answer to


18:11

our prayers does that make sense so so yeah that's my


18:18

so the angels the angels in some way is what um


18:24

causes the things to happen for god yes by under under god's authority yeah


18:31

so when i send a prayer up to to god and answered prayer there are times when he'll need to send a name


18:37

he'll send an angel on my behalf and and so and that angel is that angel necessarily


18:45

just going to bring you that thing that you're asking for or what does what does the angel what do


18:51

the what can the angels do i guess in those situations i would say i guess i


18:57

i i perceive in and use pursue angels as for protection space


19:04

you know like um one of the things that i do at my house is i post angels around the


19:10

perimeter of the property that god's given me um so i post angels i asked that that


19:16

my my home and our property would be protected that it would not come under any harm


19:22

that it would not be able to be invaded by anything that's not going to be honoring to the holy spirit and to god


19:28

and so that's in that that is the capacity um that i


19:33

do right and that's done yeah so and that's done through prayer it's not by necessarily putting


19:40

figurines right it's more of like just praying that the angels are going to be stationed to protect you that sort of


19:47

thing correct got you um i mean i hear that a lot i mean that kind of makes me think of for


19:53

whatever reason but even like how folks will like i have also um


19:58

you know prayed for the space that i'm in for protection uh those sorts of things i know like


20:04

even people who maybe cast spells they would call it a casting in the spell


20:10

which is similar i think it's just maybe different language and i know you could have a different understanding like i


20:15

understand that totally um but i think so so and i guess to me i see that


20:21

parallel i know that you might not see it as a parallel but that idea of having energies or


20:27

um and for me a lot of the times um my angels are people who've come before me


20:34

like my ex-boyfriend who's no longer alive or my grandparents or i'm curious about that


20:40

are angels did they used to be humans did they used to live on earth or are they a separate


20:46

kind of creature or i don't know if creatures the right word but you know they they're not humans


20:52

they never lived on earth then are there spirits or are there spirits then separate from


20:59

angels are there spirits of people who have of our loved ones who have passed


21:05

that we still connect with or they're around or you know i think the connection that we have with people who have passed are the


21:12

memories and those moments that we gravitate to and and that we cling to in those times when we need to


21:19

um but i you know i i think as people pass if they they


21:24

know jesus as their lord and savior then they're open up in the arms of god with no more


21:31

no more of anything no more hurt no more chaos no more um remember anything there in that space


21:37

so they they go to heaven or whatever and don't um interact with


21:43

the world below i don't find that they do that they that evidence in the bible know okay


21:49

i'm i'm just curious i don't know for sure but i don't find that written in the bible so i have to


21:55

say no now that doesn't mean i i mean i haven't memorized the whole bible so if it is there i'm i'm open for someone


22:02

to show me where it is because that's just my perception of of all that


22:07

yeah and i think sometimes for me i would i would say i experience the spirits of those folks you know


22:14

maybe in the way that you're saying that you'll have memories of right so like you'll have memories of the good times that you had with someone or maybe


22:21

you'll remember uh wisdom they shared with you or you know things like that and i feel like


22:28

that then can impact me now you know so like i can have i can be lifted again i could be


22:35

reminded i could hear that wisdom again from that person and in some ways i'd almost you could almost label that as like


22:42

their spirit um being with me in that moment


22:48

yeah i think you can you can pull up those moments and treasure those absolutely i


22:53

do that with my photo album all the time you know i'll pull my photo albums up


22:58

and i just remember these people and i laugh and i cry and i i journal so i sometimes pull up journal


23:05

entries and sometimes i can just feel close to that person yeah and for me that sort of


23:12

response to me is is the spirit because to me i think like i i see the spirit as


23:19

that which lifts me it's what animates me it's what um causes me to laugh and smile and


23:25

experience joy and and do my day and take care of people and


23:30

you know all those sorts of things like it's the spirit and so so when i think when i can connect with


23:37

someone who else's past and that energy or that memory causes me then to either feel happiness or joy or you know it


23:44

lifts me it elevates me animates animates me or causes me to move um


23:49

in a way that's connected to that spirit i guess is what i would call it


23:55

um but um knowing that somebody else might call it what would you call that


24:02

uh well i'm like a feeling or yeah i would i would i would call it an emotion maybe an


24:10

intimacy maybe um to me that i think the holy spirit will use those


24:15

times to encourage us um or to comfort us or to bring hope to us i'm


24:22

not sure that that's an interaction with the actual person's spirit at all yeah part of me


24:28

part of me feels that that's how like that's how we live on like that's how our spirit


24:33

lives on is that we we leave our body but we you know we exist in our loved ones we


24:39

it you know like we continue to exist with them um maybe in them around them i don't


24:45

know how you know how away people are gonna experience us but i feel like that's almost like our


24:51

i mean that's what we get to be on like on earth i think we're more than just our bodies you know like my mom can feel


24:56

my spirit in idaho and i can feel hers here i think


25:02

um and so even i think if i'm not in my body anymore as and i'm i've passed that


25:08

that spirit is still it's still here the energy the whatever is still


25:14

like it i don't know i just don't see it completely being gone until maybe you're completely forgotten


25:22

i think i think that's that's interesting i just


25:28

um you know that's just not part of my belief system uh i you know i


25:34

believe what the word of god says about life and death um and


25:39

that was not anything that i have learned as i perceive the the readings of the bible and my


25:47

uh christian roots yeah well i don't necessarily think it's contrary to life and death like we still


25:53

die but i wonder if that's a way of you know our spirit living on see legacy


26:00

is is a part of that i see a legacy you know i


26:06

legacy is a big word for me i i i know when you say it it's like i can see it behind you it's like


26:14

yeah it's it's true but i feel like the the legacy we have are those moments that we create those memories


26:21

those those opportunities that we have that someone can look back to you know i'm getting older so we're doing all


26:27

these things and planning for what happens next or all that stuff and you know i'm looking at these things and as


26:34

i'm helping friends who are already dealing with these types of things i'm realizing


26:39

what are what's important and for me some of those things are important so two of the main things i i


26:45

think are the most important things i can leave behind are my library because my library are things that i


26:51

studied that i took the time to ingest and to put into my spirit things that i wanted to learn or know


26:58

and the second thing is my photographs because i know even because we have digital cameras we take lots of extras


27:05

now that we didn't before but when i photographed something it's something because it means something to me it had a purpose it had had some sort


27:13

of a memory uh positive or negative attached to it and so my hope is that those moments


27:19

that i shared with those people in these photographs would remind them that they're loved


27:25

that they're awesome that they have a purpose because i want them to hear my voice saying those things


27:30

to them as as they look back at those photos so to me that's the legacy and and when the last person who knows who i


27:38

would find and you know what right i want them even more than that to know that i was able to have that


27:44

impact on their life because i'm a christian right well and i think that's the other element of that


27:49

is like if we don't live our lives while we're here in a way in which invokes that sort of


27:57

inspiration or comfort or whatever when people look at the photos of us or they


28:04

read about our stories or they look at what we learned and we


28:09

understood or you know that sort of thing that if we're not you know i think that challenges us or


28:15

that challenges me to do all that i can now


28:21

so that even when my body's gone i guess if you will that the wisdom that has been or


28:28

whatever's then come to me can continue to be transmitted in a way that hopefully would help


28:34

reduce pain and struggle sickness if you will and hopefully lead


28:39

to more healing and people experiencing more freedom and you


28:46

know god um you know being drawn closer to god and maybe even experiencing god in a


28:53

bigger or better way than i ever got to you know because of my own limitations or my own


28:59

understanding or whatever um yeah i guess that's legacy huh that's i i


29:06

believe that's what legacy is you know i spent half my life thinking that inheritance was just about uh money and


29:14

numbers and cars and all that stuff and you know what i founded over time that all those


29:20

possessions like that are the fruit of a true life of legacy yeah it has


29:26

nothing to do with any of those things i think so sorry i think a big i think the legacy


29:33

of my family and maybe our family collectively but i feel like at least with what my parents


29:40

the energy they passed down was generosity


29:45

and i think that's probably if i had to pick one thing


29:51

and if you were to expound that as you were just saying before you were to to not only instill that in your next


29:56

generations or the people around you but make it better or bigger what would that be what would the next thing be


30:03

yeah well i think i i think in a lot of ways i have i think because of the generosity i experienced and came to


30:09

learn and understand i've been able to provide that and more like i


30:15

and and so many people have been generous to me so i think i think a lot of the work that i'm doing and


30:22

um like yeah i mean i just think the generosity just gets you know and again


30:28

generosity isn't just about um helping out somebody with clothes or food or


30:34

housing um during the holidays or you know generosity could be


30:40

um showing up for someone even when they're not acting right


30:45

or um i don't know you know like i think there's lots of ways that we can be


30:51

generous again beyond the material and i yeah yeah i feel like that's a lot of what my


30:57

journey is right now it's like um just because you know like i've been you


31:03

know i've been living my life for a paycheck for a while and i think you're experiencing this as well too you know i


31:09

lived my life to get that paycheck to pay my bills to to to get the things that i wanted in


31:15

life um and that and that came at a price


31:20

of togetherness and connectedness and more interpersonal um relational


31:26

aspects and times i think even for personal growth and time with myself and


31:32

so i do feel like at this point in my life i've been able to especially like with this journey and this trip right now


31:39

um to be able to kind of in some ways collect the check if you will


31:45

and the other ways of the way that i've lived my life and the


31:51

resources that are now available if that makes sense and i feel like i'd love and i


31:57

think that's something that's sometimes hard to i think in our world today i think it's


32:03

hard to see the value in that or


32:09

to be able to live in a way in which that can be a value


32:15

you know what i mean yeah yeah i think i do because we can get caught up in the money and the paying the bills and it


32:20

doesn't even have to be that we don't have a lot of it um but it can just be that we're


32:25

just getting by because the the world's kind of set i think we're just kind of set up that we're potentially set up


32:32

that way right to just chew us away and to take us away from ourselves our spirits


32:38

our options like our possibilities of growth and whatnot um


32:44

so yeah i don't know i i can't live that way anymore i hear you uh i don't know what the long i don't


32:51

know what the long game is it's all good no it's funny you you're talking about that and this comes to my


32:57

mind recently um the holy spirit reminded me of um all the little


33:02

one-liners that i've had in my life that have kind of affected me i don't know if you ever


33:08

have that sometimes someone will say something's like and it lands and it triggers something and it adjusts how


33:14

you think or just what you're going to do or it's right at that right time when you're trying to make a decision and and


33:19

so i've been sharing some of those on my facebook page on i identify as christian and that one of the ones i'm getting


33:25

ready to share is i it keeps coming up in different seasons and just came up to again


33:30

recently to me and i'm like dang it and then as you were talking i'm like oh there it is again my spirit so this is what it is it says


33:38

someone said to me one time tina if money were no object how would you spend your time


33:46

and i'm like oh my gosh and that would that say i know it says it's like duh but no really if money were no object


33:52

how would we spend our time because here's the thing we're making money the object


33:57

and it's dictating our time and that's not how it's intended to be yeah


34:03

god is for my belief in and who i am as a christian because i identify as a christian and as i've given my life to


34:08

jesus the bible says that god's my provider and he provides for me everything


34:15

according to his riches and glory and it's like for someone to challenge me with that i'm like oh my gosh


34:21

so that it expanded my opportunity to grow as a christian and as a human being


34:26

because um i needed to stop chasing the dollars and i needed to spend more


34:32

time creating a legacy well and it's the nourishment the nourishment from god


34:38

beyond like yes you'll get the you know you'll get you know like it is partially about like


34:44

but it's like it's more about getting the spiritual feeding and all of that that then also leads to you


34:51

know leads to the other stuff too but we can't just be you know um but yeah no i hear you i'm


34:57

not saying it well but i hear you now that wasn't the that statement


35:02

wasn't said to me so i would go quit my job and do something crazy that statement was to me okay you've limited


35:08

your way of thinking you've limited your ability to set goals you've limited your uh opportunity to see


35:14

potential based on the fact of your uh job and right and your finances so if


35:21

i could not have that as an object if that was not dictating every thought in my head what could i be thinking about what


35:28

could i appreciate what could my eyes see and my ears hear that they couldn't before right right and so when that


35:34

person said that to me it was like it's like oh my gosh


35:39

yeah it's like in addition to it does it might not mean that you quit your job or whatever it's like okay


35:44

how can i get how can i receive these other things


35:50

that are you know that would enrich my life and fill me up and allow me to be healthy


35:56

and well even more so beyond just being able to get a paycheck


36:01

um or whatever every time that reminder comes up in my spirit and i call it


36:08

spirit because it comes up usually just on its own it's like okay what am i what am i not


36:14

seeing what is something that's got me caught in a rut even if i can even if i don't


36:19

even realize i'm in a rut that's holding me back from seeing a potential opportunity that god has set forth for


36:24

me right because that greed or i don't even know if it's greed or that that pursuit of our provision


36:31

um it goes from obvious to not so obvious


36:37

and so the obvious you oh take care of that because you're going to take care of that right away and it's usually low-hanging fruit something that we can


36:44

adjust pretty easily a mindset that we can move whatever that might look like but as we mature and as we grow that's


36:50

why we get this again if money were no object how would you spend your time right or something


36:56

what is it that is like swaying me again yeah yeah i think for yeah i think


37:01

something that came to mind to either add to that or addition to is like maybe money is a object but not the object


37:09

do you know what i'm like there's absolutely there's many objects you know and so it's like how can we


37:16

not let that be the object right right yeah yeah so yeah it's it's all about


37:23

perspective anyway no don't anyway that's great it's interesting i'm like oh my gosh


37:28

just as you were talking all that came up back up in my in my spirit so to me


37:34

that's my spirituality it's it's that prompting it's that guiding it's that when i'm having a conversation


37:40

that the right words come at the right time for either to share an example to encourage someone who's not having a


37:47

good day um to just sometimes even be quiet yeah just be quiet you need to say


37:53

nothing and that to me is is spirit that to me is my spirituality it's not always


37:58

uh and sometimes when i'm having uh or i'm out there thinking i'm having a great time that spirit sometimes will


38:05

say hold up you're getting way off to this side and it's going to cause you a whole lot of harm so you need to stop doing that and


38:12

you need to roll back into some wisdom here so my spirit does that for me as well so that's like that's how that's


38:18

how i perceive the holy spirit and and spirituality for myself you know i agree


38:24

that like letting the spirit pull you and animate you and cause you to be


38:29

and respond in the world in the way in which a spiritual person would i think oftentimes for me


38:36

the head can get in the way or you know you know what i mean and it's really about being able to let my spirit


38:43

and trusting spirit which often speaks to me in intuition something i would maybe call intuition or a feeling right


38:50

um it's being able to trust that to trust that and and


38:56

like take action on it um and i think that's about you know and then and then yeah when you're following your experience it is sometimes it is doing


39:02

hard things or difficult things or loud things or quiet things


39:08

yeah yay this has been like a really rad conversation my my spirit is lifted


39:15

praise god yes well we are yeah i mean we're right at


39:20

around that time too oh my goodness wow time flies when you're having fun yeah i mean we have like five more minutes but


39:27

talking about amazing things yeah okay yes i think it's a good um i think it's


39:33

a good uh also you know just counter to last week last week's was a great yeah conversation but i feel like it was just


39:41

maybe one side of the coin the spiritual spirituality yeah i agree even though there's yeah i don't


39:47

even there's more than two sides right there's like a spectrum if you will of experience


39:54

yeah awesome well do you wanna um


39:59

rosa just popped on and said interesting conversation thank you


40:05

thanks so much for joining us rosa and um commenting


40:13

love that you joined us uh do you want to invite folks or i guess we could do that little like so


40:20

if you're listening to us you could be listening to us on a podcast wherever you listen to podcasts at


40:25

splinteredgrace or you're watching us on youtube twitch or facebook


40:30

um or maybe even instagram if you want to participate with us live we would love that that can happen in the form of


40:37

being here when we go live every thursday at 5 30 p.m pacific standard time um but that also could be engaging


40:44

with us after the fact sending us an email sending us direct message commenting on the videos when


40:51

you do read them and we can then bring them up you know in the next episode or what have you so um we'd love to


40:58

interact with folks so we love hearing that you're listening


41:03

and we love hearing new perspectives so please do share those with us um


41:08

and we'll see you next week yeah yeah i'll be here


41:14

all right the question is where will you be i will be in san francisco again ah there we go


41:20

i will be beaming in from san francisco awesome everybody have a wonderful week


41:26

check out all of our splinter grace facebook and all of our extra mediums that we have going on we would love to


41:32

interact with you wherever you're comfortable all the links are in the description


41:40

splinter grace podcast is brought to you by a queer chaplain


41:47

follow us on all of our social medias instagram youtube and facebook at the


41:52

queer chaplain listen to us wherever you listen to podcasts [Music]


41:59

subscribe comment like and share feel free to tip us at venmo bonnie


42:05

violet and support monthly on patreon song is original by stephen sandov the


42:12

chasm between us rest in peace


42:20